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Penultimate page! Sorry to ruin the sexy cuteness with feelings, but that’s Khaos for you!
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I love how Jamie is looking on this page. They really are my favourite Khaos couple!
Forehead kisses! -commence squees of girlish delight-
EEEEEEEEEEEE! ^///////^
Loving these two!
Really ignorant question here but… after vaginoplasty, does it take longer to reach orgasm? Example: majority of men I have known last 5-10 minutes, while I take a good 20-30 minutes (5 with a damn good vibrator, haha!) So does surgical transitioning equal longer time to reach orgasm? I know this will vary vastly by the person, but…I’m curious. (You have no idea how trepidatiously I’m wording this so I don’t offend anyone.)
Not only will it vary widely by person but it also varies widely from those born with those parts. Some people born with those parts struggle for years just to figure out how to get themselves off and even when they know how, it can take a lot of time.
I’m a cis female and I can get off in less then two minutes without um…assistance. My cis male husband needs at least a half an hour. It totally varies from person to person no matter what so I assume that would still be true after surgery.
Beth, you are so lucky. I am upwards of 45 min sans assistance. It kinda blows.
Sounds lucky. Not so much if I mistime the foreplay and finish before sex. It sucks because husband really likes foreplay and after I orgasm I am way to sensitive to continue.
I guess the last page won’t be Charlie helping Jamie to come, I can’t believe he’s not even a bit frustrated… I get that Charlie has issues with her genitals, but well, she could wait for him to come (he should be able to do that without his eyes on her underwear) before stopping all after SHE had fun… I mean, after what he went through, it could help to let him feel good about sex too, and enjoy making love with his girlfriend…
Please don’t patronize me with comments like “fyi some molested people feel dirty if/when they enjoy sex”, etc. I know that and all. It’s just that in this story, it tastes a bit like -again- selfishness from Charlie. It’s all about what she wants and there is no hint of previous communication where Jamie could have said he wanted only to please her without the favour being returned. :/
I don’t think it’s selfish. There are many times when I have sex with my partner, and one of us doesn’t come. In fact, there are many times when my partner doesn’t want to come because she dislikes the feeling of ejaculation. So you see, it’s very possible Charlie wasn’t being selfish, and that Jamie is perfectly fine with having sexy times without an orgasm. I’ve never perceived Charlie as overly selfish, either. Everyone is selfish at times but she doesn’t seem to have a greedy personality, at least to me.
I understand your point, and I agree that communication about expectations is important. But I also feel like Tab is doing a great job of portraying realistic sex. Sometimes it takes longer to orgasm than you expect, sometimes it sneaks up on you before you realize it, sometimes you become so sensitive that it starts hurting rather than feeling good, sometimes (especially if something new is tried) you need to step back and evaluate how you and your partner(s) are doing before you proceed… And so on. (And I’m using a general “you” here to convey that these are not-uncommon situations in general, not to say any one person experiences some or all of these.)
I’m not trying to say that sex should always be satisfying for all people without an orgasm, just that I appreciate seeing a story in which sex CAN be satisfying without an orgasm.
But sex is not only about orgasms.
It’s possible for someone to don’t come during intercourse for a lot of reason – but still have fun. Specially in a new relationship, you don’t know very well the body of the partner and sometime need I little pratice ! Like Jamies himself said “there are other times”. Personnaly, I think Jamies was here more concern about the fact that he didn’t want to hurt Charlie that by reaching orgasm. In regard of his issues, it is also possible that he prefers to let his needs asside because he is affraid to take advantage of his partner. Maybe with a bit of time he will be more confortable with sex and with Charlie and it’s gonna be easier for him to think about he wants and talk about it.
I stopped reading your comment the instant I was slammed face first into the wall of “Sex is about orgasm for both but mostly for the man so Charlie was a selfish bitch” sexism. You’re forgetting that they have outlined what Jamie is/is not okay with, and they doing what he is comfortable with in that moment and (evidently for now) stopping on a good note. They are doing what is best for them, which includes Jamie’s mental health as he recovers from past trauma.
Have you missed that moment where Charlie asks “is it ok if I come soon” and Jaimie answers “Fuck yeah”? Like other people before me said, sex isn’t just about orgasms AND Charlie didn’t just selfishly denied him his orgasm. She asked if it’s ok and got a “yes”. That’s how sex should work, you communicate things. Judging by their whole story, I bet if Jaimie said “no, wait a little bit, I wanna have some fun too” she would slow down.
What Maya said. She asked, he consented, and they both seem perfectly fine with the current circumstances so that SHOULD be the end of it.
Also, you did read the comic right? This is the first time she’s doing this with Jamie, and vise versa, and they’d probably both much rather have the other feel safe than worry about something as insignificant as an orgasm (insignificant at least compared to making sure neither of them feeling like they went too far).
As many other people said, sex is about more than just getting your rocks off, especially when it comes to people trying new things, so please spare us from the “Charlie is so selfish omg” crap. It’s unfair, unnecessary, and COMPLETELY incorrect. >_>
Just putting this out there as I know you got a lot of other replies, but for me, continuing sex after orgasm ranges from extremely uncomfortable to downright painful. I’m masochistic and sometimes it’s still painful enough I need to stop.
Indeedy, she did say she was stupidly sensitive after orgasm, so she couldn’t have continued without doing so miserably, which I’m sure would not have been that much of a turn on for him. And it’s unlikely she’d have been happy helping him out in other ways given she was so paranoid about ‘mess’; better she run off, clean up, and then think about if there’s a “and then”, so now they can decide if they want to play about a bit, or if they’re happy leaving it as it is. I too prefer sex where only one if us comes – whoever that is! – but we’re both happy, than have it be fair in terms of ‘orgasm score-count’ but one if us is thinking “finally over!”.
I’m still amazed how some people can be aggressive when someone share something they don’t agree with…
I never said orgasm was the ultimate goal in sex, I never said she denied him orgasm, neither I said they “should have keep going until he came”, I certaintly NEVER implied that “Sex is about orgasm for both but mostly for the man so Charlie was a selfish bitch” and after having read it again to check if I was unclear somewhere, I don’t see anything I said wich could be interpreted like that.
Being ok with your partner “coming early” doesn’t imply that you are ok not to come yourself. Orgasms can be reached not simultaneously… and yeah, some people don’t even reach orgasm and are ok with that, I wasn’t implying that. Just that in my opinion, there is not a single hint of that kind of communication earlier.
I totally agree on the fact that there could be lots of explanations, after all they’re fictionnal characters and Tab world goes further than what’s drawn/written here.
I wasn’t implying that orgasm was without doubt Jamie’s goal. I just say it’s not said anywhere that he wouldn’t be frustrated. And when we don’t know about that, we can’t assume it’s ok without asking it first. From what I read, Jamie reassure her, maybe for avoiding her to feel guilty… But it doesn’t mean he’s not frustrated. In Charlie’s place, I would like to be sure he’s ok and doesn’t want me to help him come. She clearly stopped the act because she was finished, without checking where he was standing (in a pleasure scale or anything, sorry I can’t find my words as I would in my mother tongue) and if he was willing to come or not.
That was my point here. Maybe I wasn’t clear enough… But please, why some people have to be that aggressive in their answer, I’m not attacking anyone, I was just sharing what I thought about a fictionnal story, so.. no need to bite, we’re just talking here… And thanks for the ones who replied courteously even if there was a misunderstanding of what my point was.
Having done kind of a lot of anal, a common anxiety about anal sex is (to put it politely) “making a mess.” Jamie and Charlie both said in the Yes/No/Maybe list that they weren’t sure how comfortable they were with Charlie ejaculating with Jamie there, and it seems like Charlie is also a little worried about being “gross” specifically as regards to anal sex. It is REALLY difficult to feel sexy or do sexy things when you are worried about poop.
AND, going back to the Y/N/M list, Jamie HAS in fact, said explicitly that he’s fine with not having an orgasm. So that’s actually been taken care of.
Getting into the less specifically stated stuff, we know that Charlie and Jamie have a developing D/s dynamic, with Charlie as the Domme and Jamie as her sub. Most Submissives get more satisfaction out of their partners’ orgasms than their own, some enjoy being denied orgasm, and some believe that they are responsible for their own orgasms – we don’t know if any of this is the case here, but it’s certainly possible. Sexually, Jamie reminds me a lot of my own partner, who really doesn’t care if he has an orgasm or not during sex. If he does, it’s great, but if he doesn’t, it’s not a big deal. We can try again later, or he’ll come alone when he’s ready.
A lot of the readership here is pretty… hmm, let’s go with “modern” when it comes to thinking about sex, and find what other’s consider “normal” to be kind of distasteful. For instance, you imply (“…she could wait for him to come…before stopping all after SHE had fun… it could help to let him feel good about sex too, and enjoy making love with his girlfriend…”) that it’s Charlie’s *responsibility* to make sure Jamie is satisfied and that by not giving him an orgasm she is preventing him from enjoying the sex. I find the first implication kind of sexist and disrespectful, and the second one untrue. Dunno how it is for you, but in my bed sex is tons of fun even if *nobody*has an orgasm.
Maybe you didn’t mean it to be, but it’s clear from the above responses that multiple people read your initial post as pretty judgmental. I read it that way too. When that happens, it might be helpful to consider that maybe your words are not coming across the way you want them to, and take it as an opportunity to work on your communication skills rather than getting defensive.
You were attacking someone. You were attacking Charlie, and while she might not be “real” she is a character that many people identify with. Please don’t try to pretend like the aggression in response to your complete dismissal of pretty much any and all issues she had with continuing in favour of helping Jamie finish was without merit. You completely belittled her (and by extension a lot of peoples’ because again, identifiable) feelings with your little rant, and the least you could do is apologize for stepping on people’s toes instead of going “Ooooh woah guys, I’m not REALLY insulting anyone, I’m just sharing my opinion on a work of fiction. Your reactions are all totally unjustified because of that.”
By the way, before you get up on your high horse and say that people reacting a certain way because of an investment in, or identifying with a character isn’t a good reason for being aggressive towards you… keep in mind that your entire argument and your negative criticism towards Charlie seems to be based on you projecting how you would feel in that situation on Jamie.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. >.>
Stephen : Thanks for reminding the Y/N/M list, I didn’t remember all of it.
I didn’t imply it was her responsability (and least of all “AS a girl”), to make sure her boyfriend came. I said she didn’t even check if it was ok for him to stop all the fun (not the penetration).
I would have said exactly the same if the scene had been between two guys, or a girl instead of jamie and a boy instead of Charlie.
I’m not being defensive, I’m trying to get clearer here, because I clearly wasn’t the first time and it bothers me.
All isn’t about sexism, and I find it a bit annoying that the sexism come first as an “explaination” without trying to understand what is said….. Checking on his/her partner isn’t a responsability, it’s kindness. And I just felt, reading the comic, sad she didn’t even show him this kindness. Not as a girl, but as a partner.
Hannah : I didn’t even thought of me in the situation of Jamie… -__- It’s not the point here. All I can see is her being satisfied, and yeah, remembering at the last panel that “he didn’t even come”, but not asking if he would like to. Jamie doesn’t seem so happy in the last panel, or I “misread” the kind of sad face he has.
I had a critic toward Charlie, yeah, it doesn’t mean I belittle her and all what she went through o_O… In fact I kind of identify in a certain level with what she’s going through, certainly more than you think. I’m just telling I think she’s, in THIS panel, selfish. And that she had already been before. I don’t see where it means I denied all the issues she had. Really -_-…
But yeah, clearly I’ll shut up next time and remember it’s kind of hard to express thoughts here without being called a sexist -__-”’ I apologize for not having been clear enough and maybe sounded aggressive, but I won’t apologize for thinking that, independantly of gender, checking on her/his partner could be nice, instead of just focusing for oneself.
I’m responsible for having been unclear, yeah, but I’m not responsible of the way people interpret. Nor for the aggressivity some people show…
I read Jamie’s expression as concern that Charlie was okay with what they had done and her insecurities, not dissatisfaction with having had no orgasm. In the second panel he seems very pleased and in the third panel his kiss is very loving. Overall, their first time was both lovely and sexy IMO.
Bless, Charlie, it’s not about that. Not all the time.
I certainly don’t every time I have sex. *shrugs* I always have fun though. ;-)
Nyaww Jamie’s sucha sweetheart here and Charlie dawwww. I just wanna squeeze ’em both.
Panels 2 and 3…dawwwww all the feels :)
Flump!
Why is Jamie’s penis not visible in the bottom left of panel 2? If he didn’t come, it would surely still be erect.