When you go in for surgery, they normally make you take off all jewelry, which would including his piercing jewelry. It has something to do with it maybe getting in the way of surgery. (I know the nape doesn’t seem like it would be in the way, but the hospital made me take out my eyebrow ring so I could have surgery on my thumb. So what do I really know?) Anyway, when you pierce a nape, very rarely is it done with jewelry that can be removed and reinserted without a piercer’s help. If is pierced with jewelry that can be, it typically rejects because it’s a high movement area. Tom doesn’t seem to be someone who would go to a sub par place, so I’m sure his was done right. So, maybe he took it out for surgery and will have to get it pierced again at a later date?
Hospitals make you take out all jewelry for surgery in case your heart stops and they have to shock you with the paddles, they just don’t really tell people that because it would freak them out.
Thank you! I was never sure if that was it or if it was something else weird that they had come up with. All the websites said it was in case the piercing got in the way… They lied to me!
Technically the jewelry sparking from crash cart paddles could be considered them getting in the way.
A secondary reason for you to take off all jewelry is what you are not wearing, can’t get lost or stolen. Thus reducing the hospital’s liability.
Really? Because they totally told me that when I asked. Huh.
Mind you, I was going in for very minor surgery and it wasn’t very likely; they may have phrased it as a “policy, just in case” kind of thing rather than a real likelihood, which would probably help the not freaking out part.
But yeah, they totally didn’t have any issues telling me.
:P I used to have my nape done, it depends if you have a teflon bar or a staple put in. Surface piercings take about a year to heal and even then have a habit of healing back up in a very short period so it’s a possibility he lost it after surgery if he didn’t get it back in quickly enough.
These two are my absolute favourite Khaos couple! Besides Jamie and Charlie. And Steve and Mark. And Amber and Nay. -_-
Okay… fine, they’re all awesome. :p
Is it “that easy” to get a mastectomy in england? didn’t he have to make a hormone therapy? I don’t know about the legal aspects in uk, but in so many states you have to go through a lot of shit!
Though I’d like to point out that hormones aren’t for everyone and trans therapy which requires patients to follow a single set of rules for transition instead of taking the patient’s feelings and needs into mind isn’t good legislation.
i totally agree. but as i know you have to be on hormones at least 6 months before any “transition” operation – in germany. that’s cruel for people who wants go another way. is it the same in uk?
It’s possible (if you have the money) to go to the USA to get a surgery without taking hormones. In France I think one surgeon does it too… (he doesn’t ask for any psychiatrist certificate nor hormones therapy) but not a good one :/
Some surgeons in France ask to stop taking hormones few weeks before surgery, which is also bullshit, is it the same in the UK ?
It’s compulsory to be on hormones for at least a year and have completed at least 2 years “real life experience” before you can be considered for surgery in the UK. In reality, it is a lot longer than that for most people and is a postcode lottery. There’s more funding in some places than others (Londoners will almost certainly be treated faster than people in rural areas of Scotland for eg). Hormones are seen as an automatic and essential right and are prescribed to all who pass the initial RLE tests for 6 months or a year (depending on what the specific gender clinic requires) but surgery is rationed by the healthcare trust- there are a certain number of surgeries that will be paid for and carried out in each region each year.
Actually I’ve heard from friends up north that Scotland is a trans person’s paradise- with people being able to refer themselves, circumventing GP’s and that you can apply for surgery before any hormones depending on your circumstances.
It’s definitely true that we can self-refer. :) I did- largely because of the disparity in waiting times- it cut my waiting time for my first appointment from 3 years for my local GIC due to staff issues down to 9 months for the national GIC. Awesome! Everyone in Scotland can self-refer to the national GIC in Glasgow (same as everyone in England can self-refer to London but you need a GP to refer you locally). You can’t self-refer to your local GIC though (unless it’s Glasgow, obviously- but then you have no choice). As far as hormones before surgery goes- I have been told by both specialists I’ve seen that this would not be under any circumstances. I’ve heard the same from others, but perhaps it depends on which specialist you get to see? Or mine has made the decision for me. Which sucks, as whilst I want hormones, I want to start when getting very ill is going to be less disruptive than it is now whilst I’m focusing on PhD applications (I’m bipolar and know they mess with my mood). Having a transition order prescribed for me is holding everything up. I agree that Scotland is almost certainly a better place to be than down south for trans issues. For one thing the legal system is and has historically been more advantageous than the English system.
Actually there is no compulsory hormone treatment period prior to top surgery in England and Scotland, though in practice, if you are going through the NHS route you are unlikely to be referred until you approach 6 months on testosterone (at Charing Cross and the Laurels) and 12 months (at most other GICs). A new protocol for the treatment of gender dysphoria came into force in the middle of last year for England which means that top surgery is considered a ‘core procedure’ and as such is AUTOMATICALLY FUNDED, once you are referred by a GIC, from a central ‘pot’ of money, so it’s no longer a ‘postcode lottery’. I happen to know this because I was referred for surgery JUST after this change happened, which was a huge relief because I wouldn’t have got funding from the area I was living in at the time.
There is usually a 12 month continuous endocrine treatment/24 month RLE requirement for genital surgery, but this can be negotiable.
Also, it’s worth noting that the new protocol makes provision for those who want top surgery before or without starting HRT.
One of the teachers at my high school transitioned during my senior year. We came back from summer vacation to find one of the math teachers was now living as a woman – name, attire, etc – but would not be physically transitioned until the following summer because I guess in my area you must live as the gender you’re transitioning to for a year before surgery or hormones are even an option?
There was a big outcry from angry parents (I live in a progressive part of the US but it was a conservative upper-middle class town by and large), plus her wife was leaving her and since she wasn’t one of my teachers I never heard much that didn’t come from my friend’s close-minded and devoutly christian younger sister.
it really wasn’t (at least for me). Getting the drains out though? GROSSEST FEELING EVER. I could feel them slithering their way out. like “shluuuuuup”
Just thinking about it (3 years later) makes me feel all fidgety.
You know, like every surgery, it’s done under anaesthesia…. I don’t get why everyone looking at a post-op chest can’t help but think “it must be soooooooooooo painful”…. It’s been my less painful surgery-experience (and yeah, by that I mean post-op-surgery-experience). It can look impressive but it’s not, for most people ^^
You know, having a surgery isn’t often something “wanted”, so it can be a bad experience, but in that case, it tends to become for most trans guy something like “the ultimate goal”, sometimes far more important than any thought of bottom surgery. So when you go under surgery with this pretty amazingly positive thought…. it can’t be such a bad experience, most of the time of course (since some people are particularly afraid of surgeries/hospitals/pain or/and get their surgery from a butcher… :/)
And it that case, the pain related memories fade away REALLY quickly^^
As someone who’s had 30 surgeries, that’s total bs lol.
When you wake up, unless it’s organ removal, it hurts like hell itself.
I’m not an ftm so I don’t know if maybe mastectomies are easier, but I’ve had fat and flesh scraped from my insides plenty of times, and it’s excruciating.
Kind of off topic, but since there’s a lot of transdudes hanging around here, I had to say… Man, I LOVE the peecock. Best multipurpose packer on the market, in my humble opinion. The company makes a pretty good binder too.
Warning:
Revealing mastectomy scars is apparently a turn on, be prepared to be pounced if inquisitiveness gets the better of you :P
Take that, Axe body spray!
this is literally perfect. No other way to describe it.
Thank you Tab!
I love these two soooo much. Tom is a hugely relatable character for me. I only wish i could look that sexy and manly!
“Dammit you perfect little shit” – Fuck. Yes.
Tom you sexy bastard.
Yes, he is a perfect little shit.
And you are a sexy little shit.
Hot damn
Tom took out his nape piercing? :O
These two are so adorable together ;^; Love how Tom is all bite-y haha
Nah, you just can’t see it because long hair. Though nape piercings tend to have a short life and reject pretty easily.
When you go in for surgery, they normally make you take off all jewelry, which would including his piercing jewelry. It has something to do with it maybe getting in the way of surgery. (I know the nape doesn’t seem like it would be in the way, but the hospital made me take out my eyebrow ring so I could have surgery on my thumb. So what do I really know?) Anyway, when you pierce a nape, very rarely is it done with jewelry that can be removed and reinserted without a piercer’s help. If is pierced with jewelry that can be, it typically rejects because it’s a high movement area. Tom doesn’t seem to be someone who would go to a sub par place, so I’m sure his was done right. So, maybe he took it out for surgery and will have to get it pierced again at a later date?
Hospitals make you take out all jewelry for surgery in case your heart stops and they have to shock you with the paddles, they just don’t really tell people that because it would freak them out.
This! Metal piercings + Crash kit = not good.
Thank you! I was never sure if that was it or if it was something else weird that they had come up with. All the websites said it was in case the piercing got in the way… They lied to me!
Technically the jewelry sparking from crash cart paddles could be considered them getting in the way.
A secondary reason for you to take off all jewelry is what you are not wearing, can’t get lost or stolen. Thus reducing the hospital’s liability.
Really? Because they totally told me that when I asked. Huh.
Mind you, I was going in for very minor surgery and it wasn’t very likely; they may have phrased it as a “policy, just in case” kind of thing rather than a real likelihood, which would probably help the not freaking out part.
But yeah, they totally didn’t have any issues telling me.
And then I actually see that Tab answered this while I was typing up my crazy thought process…
:P I used to have my nape done, it depends if you have a teflon bar or a staple put in. Surface piercings take about a year to heal and even then have a habit of healing back up in a very short period so it’s a possibility he lost it after surgery if he didn’t get it back in quickly enough.
These two are my absolute favourite Khaos couple! Besides Jamie and Charlie. And Steve and Mark. And Amber and Nay. -_-
Okay… fine, they’re all awesome. :p
Is it “that easy” to get a mastectomy in england? didn’t he have to make a hormone therapy? I don’t know about the legal aspects in uk, but in so many states you have to go through a lot of shit!
This is set a few years in the future- Tom’s been on hormones for a while now.
Though I’d like to point out that hormones aren’t for everyone and trans therapy which requires patients to follow a single set of rules for transition instead of taking the patient’s feelings and needs into mind isn’t good legislation.
i totally agree. but as i know you have to be on hormones at least 6 months before any “transition” operation – in germany. that’s cruel for people who wants go another way. is it the same in uk?
It’s possible (if you have the money) to go to the USA to get a surgery without taking hormones. In France I think one surgeon does it too… (he doesn’t ask for any psychiatrist certificate nor hormones therapy) but not a good one :/
Some surgeons in France ask to stop taking hormones few weeks before surgery, which is also bullshit, is it the same in the UK ?
It’s compulsory to be on hormones for at least a year and have completed at least 2 years “real life experience” before you can be considered for surgery in the UK. In reality, it is a lot longer than that for most people and is a postcode lottery. There’s more funding in some places than others (Londoners will almost certainly be treated faster than people in rural areas of Scotland for eg). Hormones are seen as an automatic and essential right and are prescribed to all who pass the initial RLE tests for 6 months or a year (depending on what the specific gender clinic requires) but surgery is rationed by the healthcare trust- there are a certain number of surgeries that will be paid for and carried out in each region each year.
Actually I’ve heard from friends up north that Scotland is a trans person’s paradise- with people being able to refer themselves, circumventing GP’s and that you can apply for surgery before any hormones depending on your circumstances.
It’s definitely true that we can self-refer. :) I did- largely because of the disparity in waiting times- it cut my waiting time for my first appointment from 3 years for my local GIC due to staff issues down to 9 months for the national GIC. Awesome! Everyone in Scotland can self-refer to the national GIC in Glasgow (same as everyone in England can self-refer to London but you need a GP to refer you locally). You can’t self-refer to your local GIC though (unless it’s Glasgow, obviously- but then you have no choice). As far as hormones before surgery goes- I have been told by both specialists I’ve seen that this would not be under any circumstances. I’ve heard the same from others, but perhaps it depends on which specialist you get to see? Or mine has made the decision for me. Which sucks, as whilst I want hormones, I want to start when getting very ill is going to be less disruptive than it is now whilst I’m focusing on PhD applications (I’m bipolar and know they mess with my mood). Having a transition order prescribed for me is holding everything up. I agree that Scotland is almost certainly a better place to be than down south for trans issues. For one thing the legal system is and has historically been more advantageous than the English system.
Actually there is no compulsory hormone treatment period prior to top surgery in England and Scotland, though in practice, if you are going through the NHS route you are unlikely to be referred until you approach 6 months on testosterone (at Charing Cross and the Laurels) and 12 months (at most other GICs). A new protocol for the treatment of gender dysphoria came into force in the middle of last year for England which means that top surgery is considered a ‘core procedure’ and as such is AUTOMATICALLY FUNDED, once you are referred by a GIC, from a central ‘pot’ of money, so it’s no longer a ‘postcode lottery’. I happen to know this because I was referred for surgery JUST after this change happened, which was a huge relief because I wouldn’t have got funding from the area I was living in at the time.
There is usually a 12 month continuous endocrine treatment/24 month RLE requirement for genital surgery, but this can be negotiable.
Also, it’s worth noting that the new protocol makes provision for those who want top surgery before or without starting HRT.
One of the teachers at my high school transitioned during my senior year. We came back from summer vacation to find one of the math teachers was now living as a woman – name, attire, etc – but would not be physically transitioned until the following summer because I guess in my area you must live as the gender you’re transitioning to for a year before surgery or hormones are even an option?
There was a big outcry from angry parents (I live in a progressive part of the US but it was a conservative upper-middle class town by and large), plus her wife was leaving her and since she wasn’t one of my teachers I never heard much that didn’t come from my friend’s close-minded and devoutly christian younger sister.
That looks SO PAINFUL.
it really wasn’t (at least for me). Getting the drains out though? GROSSEST FEELING EVER. I could feel them slithering their way out. like “shluuuuuup”
Just thinking about it (3 years later) makes me feel all fidgety.
I briefly imagined my breasts slithering their way out of my chest and actually clutched them in fear. It’s the sound effect. SHLUUUUP
(I’M STILL SHIVERING AUGH)
OH GOD WHY DID I READ THIS
HUUUUUUUURGH
THATS DISGUSTING IM KEEPIGN MY HEARING AIDS OUT WHENEVER I GET THIS DOnE
won’t help. it’s the feeling. You can FEEL them slithering.
But good luck! :D
You know, like every surgery, it’s done under anaesthesia…. I don’t get why everyone looking at a post-op chest can’t help but think “it must be soooooooooooo painful”…. It’s been my less painful surgery-experience (and yeah, by that I mean post-op-surgery-experience). It can look impressive but it’s not, for most people ^^
You know, having a surgery isn’t often something “wanted”, so it can be a bad experience, but in that case, it tends to become for most trans guy something like “the ultimate goal”, sometimes far more important than any thought of bottom surgery. So when you go under surgery with this pretty amazingly positive thought…. it can’t be such a bad experience, most of the time of course (since some people are particularly afraid of surgeries/hospitals/pain or/and get their surgery from a butcher… :/)
And it that case, the pain related memories fade away REALLY quickly^^
As someone who’s had 30 surgeries, that’s total bs lol.
When you wake up, unless it’s organ removal, it hurts like hell itself.
I’m not an ftm so I don’t know if maybe mastectomies are easier, but I’ve had fat and flesh scraped from my insides plenty of times, and it’s excruciating.
Since Tom is an adult now does he use a packer? Or one of those stand to pee devices like the peecock?
He won’t be wearing one in this scene because he’s inside and comfortable with Alex, but that’s something Tom does use depending on how he’s feeling.
Kind of off topic, but since there’s a lot of transdudes hanging around here, I had to say… Man, I LOVE the peecock. Best multipurpose packer on the market, in my humble opinion. The company makes a pretty good binder too.
This guy looks like he’s in the Yakuza or something, hot damn