Sir, Butler and Boy ~ Rules and Regulations ~ Page 10
Fair is fair right? Except when it isn’t.
The funny thing about sex is that it doesn’t have to be ‘fair’. You should only do the sex things you want to do, and it’s completely okay to not reciprocate a specific act if you don’t like it.
For me it goes back to this idea that sex is better when it’s selfless yet selfish. Be generous but only with the things you truly want to give.
To repeat your quip from Monday, DOM FIIIIIIGHT!
(Sorry.)
Wow. Is James actually saying he should “get” to have sex with Jefferson just to get even with John? Even though Jefferson is an unwilling bottom?
And probably -still- wouldn’t withdraw his consent in a way that James sees (as per previous conversation) as legitimate?
I think he’s pointing out the flaws in John’s argument. If John’s letting him beat Jefferson because it’s ‘fair,’ what else is ‘fair;’ bringing it to something that is definitely a limit of John’s whether or not Jefferson would consent. Especially as he goes on to remove Jefferson’s gag. But I could be wrong.
on the other hand his ‘textbook bad dom behaviour’ as described by Longtime Lurker below could also be because he rarely is in the position of dominating and is going by what he sees on the surface of John’s behaviour.
That doesn’t excuse him, though. Trying to be a top without doing any research (modernly on the internet and such, in this case probably by speaking with John) is dangerous and reckless.
Not sure, uh, when he would have gotten to do that research, since I get the impression that the first time he came to John to talk about the proposed scene was just now, with Arthur, you know, sitting in a box the whole time. I kind of feel like this was a poorly-thought-out plan all around, to be honest.
Yeah, that’s not unlikely
I don’t think so. His textbook bad dom behavior, IMO, starts when he starts caning Jefferson out of anger, not desire. He glares. He claims to understand that John cannot hit Jefferson out of anger, but perhaps does not understand that this also applies to him – even if it’s John he’s angry with.
He’s letting his emotions control the scene, regardless of his partners’ desires and feelings.
Tab is generally dutiful about content warnings but I’m really put off by James’s increasingly gross attitude. It just seems weird that we were warned about the potential for angst in past chapters but we didn’t get a heads up at the beginning of a chapter that seems to be focused on James displaying textbook bad Dom behavior.
I’m sure that Jefferson’s line isn’t going to be, “wow James I’m really into you being territorial and bullying my partner, let’s continue without any consequences!” and that this will end well. But coming from a creator that has warned about smaller levels of angst I’m really surprised that this chapter didn’t merit one. (Unless I just missed it?)
To be clear, the content itself isn’t my problem; it’s having this sprung up on me by a creator that has put content warnings consistently in their work. There’s the expectation of knowing what the reader is about to get into and gives them an opportunity to brace themselves.
I’ve commented too many times already but maybe a dubious consent warning on the ones involving caning and some sort of gross opinions warning on this sort of thing?
I definitely warned the patreon people about it, I’ve just been super swamped with the kickstarter stuff so must have missed it. I didn’t have time to make one of the back covers for this one which usually has the warnings in it so I’ll add some content stuff to the chapter cover info.
I remember a warning about this. But it was a chapter or two back. At the beginning two chapters back, you said something in a comment about dynamics being reversed and negotiations happening soon. Then at the beginning of last chapter, you… I forget if it was the op comment or in reply to a viewer comment. But you mentioned that that chapter would be lighter and that this chapter would be heavier. You didn’t mention it again, though.
Jefferson- “Stop fighting! You’re tearing this family apart!”
Compromise could be if John is willing, James could fuck him. Jefferson shouldn’t be forced to do something he really doesn’t want to do.
I think James is deliberately provoking John.
Yes.
I also, honestly, think James is hurting quite a lot here, and that’s why he’s lashing out. I think he feels a lot of inadequacy coming into this very established dynamic where he is releatedly framed as the the “pure little master” or “common property slave”. He also likes to be pushed and punished (see the James/Jefferson James/John stories), and knows Jefferson likes that too, but John – as a reluctant sadist – tends to move the emphasis away from the. So, he’s feeling insecure, unsatisfied and unable to call the shots about the direction of their play, but because he expresses his pain as anger (rather than sorrow) it’s difficult for a very careful Dom like James to get through to him. Plus, because of their social class, he can’t discuss this with John outside of the dynamic that easily.
He’s hurting. He feels used and neglected, the way Jefferson did in Collar and Cuffs – but unlike Jefferson he doesnt feel safe enough as a sub to bring that up when he is feeling vulnerable. He needs to be in a position of power – but not in his genuine position of power as John’s boss. No, this isn’t the best time, but in the context of the story (as so often in life) there isn’t a best time.
So, yeah. He wants a Dom fight. I suspect he actually wants to lose that Dom fight, so long as he can break through John’s self control for a bit and get to the truth. Which, I hope, is love – because that’s what he’s so hungry for.
Ugh, long comment. Sorry.
In a previous comic, we learned that Jefferson doesn’t like bottoming for anal sex, but did so for previous doms because he thought it was expected of him. John knows this history, but James might not.
When I was in college, I made a “your mom is so (fill in the blank)” crack to a friend…then later learned his mom died a few years earlier and he was still struggling. I still feel like an asshole about it–friends slag each other, but I’d never have made that joke if I’d known his background. That’s kind of what this feels like: James only intends to taunt John for his jealousy, John gets mad because he knows what James suggested would hurt Jefferson, and they’re both too prideful and angry to make themselves clear.
In any case, funsexytime is over, time for cool downs and talking.
Also, I get the impression that some of John’s anger IS jealousy – not just protection. I love the character to pieces, but I get a vibe from him I get from a lot of Tops/Doms, that he feels his way is the only acceptable way. I get where that mindset comes from – it’s the only way they can play safely, and as they’re responsible for everyone’s safety, so they get stuck in their ways – but that doesn’t make it a universal truth. As such, he is being very controlling for a co-Dom scene, hence James’ tactless little gambit, and Dom fight.
And, yeah, James is going to feel like shit when he finds out how Jefferson feels about penetration – but he is speaking entirely from ignorance, which is mostly down to the others’ efforts to “protect” him.
I’d love to see Jefferson get up and leave, saying that well, their behaviour just totally turned him off. And as doing so, showing them that the sub has the final word.. HIS consent being the focal point here.
When sex isn’t fun anymore, that’s time to do something else, isn’t it ?
I dont think he will tough, he looks pretty aroused by their fight
This situation isn’t necessarily fair on James. I have absolutely no knowledge or experience on poly relationships but I feel like when they invited James in then he should be equal in the relationship. He isn’t. They clearly haven’t shared the rules or limits in the relationship with him. So can he really be blamed for his behavior? If I felt like a third wheel in this relationship I would be pretty upset too. They might not feel as close to James as each other but that doesn’t mean James doesn’t. This whole situation could have been avoided by communication. Jefferson isn’t into being bottom but you are thus we do different things with him etc.